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Fighting Spirit MMA 13 – Oneida – October 23

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9:06 am
October 22, 2010


Keith Grienke

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Date: October 23, 2010
Location: Oneida, Ontario
Tickets:

Rob Tomlin vs Omar Kerr

Chad Laprise vs Jesse Macdougall
Alex Perriera vs Scott Macovi
Chris Adair vs Jim Barber
Pete Brown vs Jo Petahtegoose
Andy Smith vs Curt Snell
Rob Knight vs Odenva Phillips
Tim Perriera vs Jordan White
Roya Lahoni vs Maria Batiste


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12:26 pm
October 22, 2010


Robin Black

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Is there a commission overseeing these fights?

9:36 am
October 23, 2010


Keith Grienke

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Post edited 9:38 am – October 23, 2010 by Keith Grienke


Robin Black said:

Is there a commission overseeing these fights?


They say there is an Oneida Commission sanctioning the event.   I have no idea what their rules are nor who is on it.

9:47 am
October 23, 2010


Robin Black

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I'm not hating but this should be viewed as an illegal event. "Oneida commission" is not a recognized Athletic commission. Fights in Ontario will be overseen by the Ontario Commission, which is in the process of putting the structure in place to have legal MMA fights in the province some time in 2011.

Events like this undermine the legalization process in Ontario.

Again, not hating, people can do what they feel is right, but this is really counterproductive to the long term growth of our sport in Ontario.

9:57 am
October 23, 2010


Robin Black

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I know how incredibly hard it is for young Ontario fighters to find fights. Its damn hard.

But guys just need to wait 6 more months and fight on legal shows next year. Fighting on illegal shows in Ontario right now is just so risky. If someone gets seriously hurt on one of these illegal shows before the process is complete in Ontario, we may NEVER see legal fights in the province.

Guys' impatience and desire to fight now can ruin it for everyone forever.

10:12 am
October 25, 2010


Jamie Locke

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I agree that it's risky fior guys to fight in these. It also DOES undermine the legalization in the province.

 

I also understand that there isn't any other opportunity for guys to fight in the province.

 

With the legitimacy being right around the corner, it would be preferable for guys to simply wait it out and fight on a legit show in 6 months, BUT, will they get the chance in 6 months? Especially when dealing with the government, 6 months quickly turns into 8 months, 10 months, 1 year, 2 years, never professionally legalizing the sport.

 

Also, other commissions have policies in place for suspending guys who fight on these cards, and promoters know the risks they are taking. These shows have been going on for a long long time though, I don't think they really threaten the sanctioning process for the whole province.  Backyard/ basement/ parking lot/ warehouse fights have been happening forever, they didn't stop the evolution of the sport so far.  Once this deal is done in Ontario, and there are legit opportunities for guys to fight in and around the province, I am sure these shows will fade into oblivion. Look at Vernon/ Penticton BC, they used to have all types of illegal fights, as soon as a sanctioning body was created, it's been pretty solid as far as legal shows.

 

These guys have to start somewhere.

11:53 am
October 25, 2010


Marc-Andre Drolet

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Here's what they do threaten.  MMA as a whole!!

 

These events are an absolute joke, and YES i'm hating.

 

I hate anything that puts what I do at risk.

The last show guys were fighting without medicals, matchmaking was happening AT the event.

 

WTF guys?  this helps NOTHING.

 

If things go bad on one of these shows, potentially nobody can fight anywhere in Canada.

12:07 pm
October 25, 2010


Robin Black

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Marc-Andre, you're a matchmaker. Can you tell these fighters if you'll EVER have guys who fight on these shows on your cards?

 

 Bobby matchmakes too. And Alex.

 

 Guys, can you tell these fighters if you'd ever book them on real shows in the future?

12:17 pm
October 25, 2010


Jamie Locke

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I have never been to the Ontario reserve shows, but I have seen some "amateur" events. I have seen events where medicals (including blood tests) were not required. These shows threaten the fighters, they make it a risk to compete, with the threat of disease, or in the poor match-making cases, serious injury. I don't think these shows threaten the sport, as professional events are clearly regulated and safe, the two really have nothing to do with each other, as long as it is clearly identified which shows are pro, and which shows are NOT SANCTIONED.

 

This being said, I was under the understanding that these "Fighting Spirit" shows were at least well run. I guess I heard wrong in that sense.

 

But to say that these illegal, or unsanctioned show threaten the legit business, I don't think they do.  I know M.A.D has much more experience in dealing with this side of things. But I am simply comparing it to other sports, as we do in many safety debates. If someone gets hurt in a hockey game that is not pro, not insured and done on the street or pond, it has 0 effect on the pro sport. Same goes for rugby, lacrosse, other sports we frequently compare mma too. Also, I don't think the back-yard wrestling videos we see all over youtube threaten the WWE.

 

I think as liong as these guys are not trying to pass off their shows as professionla, or sanctioned by government, than they won't have any adverse effect on the professional sport…..

 

My opinion only, M.A.D, you may be able to enlighten me on how these guys may sway the view of the sport of a sanctioning body?

12:46 pm
October 25, 2010


Robin Black

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If someone gets killed, the news will say "Kid dies in UFC fight in Ontario".

 

It will not bother to say anything about "illegal" or "unsanctioned". And politicians will freak out and release self-serving statements about banning MMA and site the death. And people will listen.

12:47 pm
October 25, 2010


Marc-Andre Drolet

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If Hockey was at the stage MMA was, it would be the same issue.

We are too new, and too many people are against the sport. A death on one of these shows could end mma up here.  We need the federal law to change first.

 

I know these events aren't true MMA. There are questios on what the rules even are, nobody is being registered in any databases so the rest of the world knows whats' happening.

 

That in itself threatens everything we do, and it's sickened me for years.

 

Even if I was willing to use one of these fighters the commission here wouldn't allow it, and I can't say i disagree with that.

12:52 pm
October 25, 2010


harry balls

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Agreed on all this. Not to derail, but this is why i piss and moan about guys who can't fight for shit getting in there with studs: A serious injury or death and it's all over. ALL. OF. IT.

 

Question: How come these shows don't get shut down? Woulldn't 'illegal' imply somebody could step in and stop em? And would it be prudent to perhaps not  hire people who participate in shows like this?

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1:22 pm
October 25, 2010


Marc-Andre Drolet

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Nevermind the lack of matchmaking involved. 

 

They are using a 1995 style, where we'd eye each other up at weighins and see who fights who based on what size everybody looked.

1:58 pm
October 25, 2010


Jamie Locke

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Understood

 

I'm with Harry Ball sack on this one, since they are illegal shows, why don't the authorities shut it down, either before when the promotion is advertising their illegal activity or at the event when the "crimes" are going down?

4:36 pm
October 25, 2010


EPerez

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Marc-Andre Drolet said:

Nevermind the lack of matchmaking involved. 

 

They are using a 1995 style, where we'd eye each other up at weighins and see who fights who based on what size everybody looked.


Gotta love the old days!!

'Oneida Commission'? HAHAHA! Awesome!!

6:16 pm
October 25, 2010


Robin Black

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MAD would eye up the next smallest guy, who'd be about 170. Then, after smoking a couple cigarrettes, he'd go in and give that guy holy hell.

11:11 pm
October 25, 2010


Marc-Andre Drolet

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haha holy hell for about 3-4 minutes

When I fought Gumringer, neither of us had anything left for the 3rd round. It was literally the most boring 5 minutes of MMA.

The only guy I fought who was close to my size was Justin Taverninni. I didn't need as much weight stuffed in my pockets for that weighin.

10:27 pm
October 26, 2010


Marc-Andre Drolet

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Legality becomes a sticky issue when you factor in the events are being run on First Nations land.

My problem isn't as much with legality in that sense, since they technically are their own nation. But what I do fault is allowing bullshit shows with corners being cut at every chance for the sake of making money.

What really makes it sad is legitimate shows aren't making money because they do everything right.

So Shame on shitty promoters no matter where they are

and for putting what we do at risk, Fuck you

10:27 pm
October 26, 2010


Marc-Andre Drolet

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Can we say that here? Or is Bobby going to yell at me?

10:58 pm
October 26, 2010


harry balls

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Wait , is it LEGAL for them to have those fights there? Because if it is, I support their right to hold them. That does NOT mean i support shitty sketchbag shows, however. But i wouldn't support  half-assed shows in Montreal, Moncton or Milwaulkee for that matter.

                If the First Nations people have the legal right to have shows there, that is an entirely different matter. Can someone clarify?

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    site is defined by the sloppiest piece of work you will accept.

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