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Anyone can matchmake/commentate/corner/fight if they're big fans….

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7:38 pm
January 9, 2011


Robin Black

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It's a fucking epidemic.

People really think matchmaking is just putting two guys of the same weight and similar(ish) records together. People think ring announcing is getting a guy in a suit to read stuff. People think doing interviews is owning a camera and asking questions. People think promoting shows is just having money.

Let's get the best, most knowledgable, most experienced people doing these things.

All of these jobs take full skill sets and stacked up backgrounds and grouped experiences. Not just people who like UFC.

First up-Matchmaking: let's discuss.

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AN EXPERT AT ANY OF THIS. BUT I'VE SEEN THESE JOBS DONE BADLY, AND DONE WELL. THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

10:54 pm
January 9, 2011


Robin Black

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Just re read my post.

Man, when I cut weight and start over training, I sound so bitchy and arrogant.

Wow, sorry, don't mean to sound like a douche.

Let me think of this more positively….

What are some (small show) cards people saw this year that felt like they had great matchmaking?

Good ones that come to mind are Armageddon 4 and CFC 6…. I'm sure there's tons of others….

12:22 am
January 10, 2011


Marc-Andre Drolet

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Matchmaking is one of the easiest looking jobs to the uninformed.

There truly is an art to matchmaking, and most people who do it, don't have a clue. I mean that respectfully, but most people don't have a clue what it even means.

Announcing is another job that looks easy when the right person is doing it.

I'm a big Keith Crawford fan, he's like a character. He's larger than life, and great guy, and although he's on the front lines announcing, he's very involved behind the scenes doing great things for the sport.

Robin is awesome, looking forward to bringing him back as always to CFC 7 on May 13th.

1:42 am
January 10, 2011


harry balls

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posts 290

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Robin Black, I fucking love you…..

  • The standard of excellence on any job
    site is defined by the sloppiest piece of work you will accept.

    – F. Jones

    If Darwin was right Bobby’s back should be turning into a matress soon.- Get Realz, on Bobby K

3:44 pm
January 10, 2011


Keith Grienke

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Simple announcing rule. 

Announce each guy before they come from backstage and again once they are both in the cage and the fight is ready to start.

At CFM, too often I was typing away or talking to people when I looked up and all the sudden there were fighters in the cage.  I like seeing the walkouts and CFM never announced the fighters prior to their walkout.

1:07 pm
January 11, 2011


Tyler Davis

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Or announce wrong fighters from wrong gyms in the wrong. Town. or my personal favorite make nick names for the fighters on the spot lol mike "mac"maaavvvviiiissss!

1:15 pm
January 11, 2011


Tyler Davis

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Ohhh ohhhh and impromptu fighting styles lol unorthodox striker

1:20 pm
January 11, 2011


Tyler Davis

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By the way robin I heard you commentate a tfc and you were describing how it feels to walk out and enter the cage and you hit the nail on the head your one of the best out there for sure.

11:45 am
January 12, 2011


Keith Grienke

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Someone, from the promotion or the commentator themself, must make cheat notes about the fighters as well. More than just win/loss and club name. That info fills up less than 10 seconds of air time.  Need enough relevant info to fill up the space between rounds and between fights if they are live. Fight Network usually edits this space out and I am talking Internet PPV here.

Worst commentating I have heard was Bas and Mezger calling Aggression on their Internet PPV.  No homework done and the two could only say that the fighters are trying really hard so much.  Someone should have done homework for them. Fights were still worth the $10 though on the PPV.

10:50 am
January 13, 2011


Tyler Davis

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Mezger is a terrible commetator, I remeber watchin that card on the net….to eye up robin blacks game! But ya terrible commentary bas was funny though trying to coach tim tamaki out of a arm triangle lol and his awsome priest and a rabai joke. But ya rogan always has his notes on the fighters and it really shows. Its great to hear a little about the fighters in those 7 second stalmates. That aggresion card highlight was definatly the ear explosion of matt k.

2:05 pm
January 13, 2011


Cody Rempel

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Post edited 2:06 pm – January 13, 2011 by Cody Rempel


Don't know why my Quote and Reply never works…
"That aggresion card highlight was definatly the ear explosion of matt k."

That was nominated for a Bazzie… Most Bizarre moment of 2010! lol, it lost out to the Strikeforce brawl though!

"Believe in yourself. Believe in your own potential for greatness. Believe that you can change the world.

It is something that is within each of us. Believe in the Power of One"

-Evan Tanner

2:21 pm
January 13, 2011


harry balls

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Cody Rempel said:

Don't know why my Quote and Reply never works…

"That aggresion card highlight was definatly the ear explosion of matt k."

That was nominated for a Bazzie… Most Bizarre moment of 2010! lol, it lost out to the Strikeforce brawl though!


I am gonnna see if it works for me. Don't backspace and erase the line, maybe?

  • The standard of excellence on any job
    site is defined by the sloppiest piece of work you will accept.

    – F. Jones

    If Darwin was right Bobby’s back should be turning into a matress soon.- Get Realz, on Bobby K

2:22 pm
January 13, 2011


Cody Rempel

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Cody Rempel said:

Don't know why my Quote and Reply never works…

"That aggresion card highlight was definatly the ear explosion of matt k."

That was nominated for a Bazzie… Most Bizarre moment of 2010! lol, it lost out to the Strikeforce brawl though!


I am gonnna see if it works for me. Don't backspace and erase the line, maybe?

Let me try that again…

"Believe in yourself. Believe in your own potential for greatness. Believe that you can change the world.

It is something that is within each of us. Believe in the Power of One"

-Evan Tanner

2:53 pm
January 13, 2011


Robin Black

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I've now gotten to commentate on over 100 fight cards in the last 15 months, which is insane. I've gotten to do 50 Best of DEEPs alone.

What a gift. Funnest job ever. But really tough too. You have to constantly try to study what you do right, and what you do wrong (especially) and try to improve.

Mauro has given me a lot of advice, Lazenby too, and I've been working a ton with Ramdeen, who is superexperienced and really good and a really good friend. But, really, you have to study the craft of it.
I'm obsessive about it. I spent an afternoon recently watching a lumberjack contest so I could learn from the color guy. I watch any event to see what I can learn. Speed eating contests, dog shows, xtreme sports, old classy boxing. You can learn something different from each.

You start as a white belt in commentating, nomatter how well spoken you are and how much public speaking experience you have.
As a white belt, most guys imitate other commentating they've seen WAY too much. lotsa "striker vs grappler" references and "watch for the triangle" and "he's got amazing jiu jitsu" and "this guy has knockout power in both hands".
Also, your first 10 or 20 calls will suck, nomatter what. When a guy is on call number 7 or 8, he'll think he's awesome, but that's only because he doesn't know enough to know how little he knows. This is a real skill set and collection of experience, and NO ONE is good at it immediately.

Now, I know just enough to know how little I know, and I know enough to realize this is a huge responsibility and really really hard. I prepare notes for hours before each call. I research. I study. I ask John or Mauro questions, I study Rogan (my favorite too) and Bas and Mezger (who I like, he has a relaxed style) and Shiavello (super fun) in a quest to learn but develop uniqueness (not there yet).

I really appreciate that people give me compliments on my calling, especially because at first all I got was criticism. But I am only just learning it now, and have SO much further to go till I get to Brown Belt or Black belt evel as a color commentator.

I also learned a TON by getting to go out to Armageddon in Victoria. I worked with Paul Lazenby, who has been doing it for a long time, and discovered that I was scrambling more because he was a new partner. Every partner is different. Paul helped me a lot, but I didn't have the greatest call, in the first half especially. Paul helped me adapt. Now hopefully I'll adapt to a new partner well after learning that from him.

Its a crazy gig. SUPERawesome and fun. But real work, real research, real learning and striving to improve.
Hopefully I can keep developing.

Anyhoo, forgot my point.

Thanks tho. :)

2:54 pm
January 13, 2011


Robin Black

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I meant to say "THANKS Tyler davis".

Thanks dude. I went off on a crazy tangent.

1:14 pm
January 14, 2011


Tyler Davis

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The ear explosion should have won the award, brawls in sports happen all the time. Take the fact that our sport is fighting its truley amazing there arnt more brawls. But a human ear being popped like a zit was awsome for lack of a better word. Great fight robin me and mike were scouting you out lol nice highkick to start the second round (if memory serves correctly) I mean it didn't knock him out or anything…..but not bad lol

1:17 pm
January 14, 2011


Tyler Davis

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But robin you seriously do a great job with commentary I enjoy your DEEP commentary or how you explain the rush of walking out, entering cage, ect

1:26 pm
January 14, 2011


Sean Quinn

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Tyler, Robin is a soon to be married man. I dont think Erica will appreciate you being on his nuts like that.

2:16 pm
January 14, 2011


Tyler Davis

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If I was on anyones nuts it'd be my favorite 135er mr sean quinn

2:38 pm
January 14, 2011


Sean Quinn

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But im married too, Tyler. You should hang on Joe's nuts. He's single, but you might wanna bring antibiotics.

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