School Of Hard Knocks 21 – Estevan – March 3


Date: March 3, 2012
Location: Spectra Place in Estevan, SK
Tickets: TicketPro

Amateur Fight Card:
265lbs- Derek Daku (1-0) vs. Dusty Shingoose (0-2)
265lbs- Wade Baldwin (0-1) vs. Steven Arens (0-0)
265lbs- Felix Jiminez (0-1) vs. Devon Smith (2-1)
185lbs- Derek Parker (4-3) vs. Lloyd Valley (1-1)
135lbs- Dennis Papineau (2-1) vs. Ryan Torrence (1-2)
135lbs- Dillion Adam (1-3) vs. Andy Jack (1-0)
135lbs- Dave Stemberg (0-1) vs. Jordan McDonald (1-3)
155lbs- Matt Zemlak (4-0) vs. David Swanson (2-1)
185lbs- Sonny Bird (0-1) vs. Wesley Viita (0-0)
135lbs- Branden Cloud (1-0) vs. Lailand Wilson (0-0)
125lbs- Tyrone Halkett (0-0) vs. Travis Favel (0-3)
205lbs- Craig Gaudry (0-1) vs. Mitchell Balaberda (0-0)
170lbs- Evander Mususkapoe (2-1-1) vs. Corey Atkinson (3-4)
140lbs- Keith Katona (2-0) vs. Ron Carriere (0-0)
185lbs- Randell Martell (2-3) vs. Cody Bowman (2-1)
170lbs- Mitch Pierson (0-1) vs. Kyle Naytowhow (0-0)
170lbs- Ryan Starkell (0-0) vs. Zach Vaudrin (0-0)
145lbs- Mike Papesquash (0-1) vs. Adam Zarillo (0-0)
155lbs- Nic Grandbois (0-2) vs. Lyle Clearsky (0-4)
170lbs- Kurt Bailey (8-6) vs. Denny Heathen (4-2-1)

35 Responses to “ School Of Hard Knocks 21 – Estevan – March 3 ”

  1. Blackout says:

    Hell of a card. this is going to be a successful night for the ages.

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  2. Tyler Davis says:

    20 fights lined up? Wow

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  3. Cody Rempel says:

    That’s too many in my opinion… makes for too long of a night! I think 10-12 fights is the best!

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  4. Donald Duck says:

    Gotta love a card where the total number of shared losses out numbers the total number of shared wins.


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  5. mmajunk says:

    this is the worst show in canada

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  6. EPerez says:

    Everyone fighter to start somewhere. Estevan will support small shows like this, its a good change of pace for a tiny town in the middle of nowhere.

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  7. Jamie Locke says:

    170lbs- Kurt Bailey (8-6)= Why stay amateur after 10+ fights and a winning record?

    145lbs- Angus Deschambeault (7-2)= This guy shouold be close to ready to, no?

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  8. Cody Rempel says:

    UPDATE: Added updated fight card

    Note for Jamie… these are the records that were provided on the Hard Knocks website, who knows how accurate the records they’re providing are.

    -Kurt Bailey is listed on as 1-2 Pro and 1-0 Amateur
    -Angus Deschambeault is listed on as 0-2 Amateur
    -Denny Heathen does not have a record on but Hard Knocks has him at 4-2-1

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  9. holywow says:

    40 kids fight, each bring 30 friends and families, that’s 1200 people. They pay $40 each. That’s $48 000 off the backs of these young kids.
    And no one gets paid but the promoter.
    Is he watching out for heath and safety? Tons of these guys aren’t trained and aren’t ready.
    Is amateur mma legal in Saskatchewan?
    Does nobody see the damage this “show” can do?

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  10. Tyler Davis says:

    Well said

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  11. EPerez says:


    When I started in ’99 these are the shows we looked for. BUT, they were only available in the U.S. and we had to drive 8-10 hours to fight. Not convenient so we didnt go very often.

    If there were more of these shows available up here I would have gained experience a lot faster and probably would have moved to a pro gym A LOT sooner.

    Everyone has their own path in mma. Some guys start at good gyms and see success right away. Some guys will win some and lose some then decide its not for them. Others will do it on their own, fill shows like these or be the stepping stones for good fighters. Who is anyone to tell them what they should or shouldnt do? It is them who has to deal with the humiliation and the 0-15 records they may potentially rack up down the road.

    Boxing has their journeymen, college sports have the small schools, big schools beat up on and in pro sports there will always be the haves and have-nots. I dont think there is one guy in the UFC who hasnt crushed their share of cans on their way to the big show. It happens, these stepping stones, in whatever form, lone fighter or small college you never see play on tv, are here for whatever reason. Like it or not, they are an absolutly necessary in sports.

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  12. Robin Black says:

    Holywow is probably too far opinion-wise, and Perez always makes some good points and is passionate about the game but he may be too far the other way.

    The sport has developed a lot in those 13 years since Eric fought on sketchy shows, and the cons of these shows (unsanctioned unsafe fights between potentially unprepared young guys and the cheapening of the modern sport) just might outweigh the pros (experience for young guys so 1 or 2 out of these 40 guys may one day compete at a good level). Especially when there are a dozen better ways for these guys to get the experience they want (3 or more quality gyms per city, amateur well-regulated Thai and boxing, bjj tourneys, quality sparring in gyms).

    The risks, the quality of the product, the watering down of the live show, these are all possible concerns.

    But they all feel a bit worse when you get such a distinct stench of a promoter just trying to make money off these kids, risks be damned.

    This vibe comes when you see every local kid on Earth (40??), regardless of experience or training or SAFETY, all just smushed together on a card. How many of these kids are fit and have quality training? Who is watching out for this?

    Don’t say “the promoter”. When a guy is shamelessly chasing profit safety gets in the way of making money. THAT’S WHAT COMMISSIONS ARE FOR.

    When a business model feels so obviously motivated only by profit, it makes you wonder what other corners are cut in search of more profit?

    Also, without a proper commission, if one of these kids was ko-ed last week, would anyone know?
    Who is protecting the fighters and, ultimately, the sport in these regions? A money-motivated promoter?

    This is dangerous business man, especially amateur being done for profit with a “commission-be-damned” attitude.

    Dangerous business.

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  13. Robin Black says:

    Don’t knock the fighters. They just want to fight, and good on ’em.

    I would too. And I respect their drive and understand why they will take this opportunity.

    But a promoter sees them and sees $$.

    These fighters can be unsafely exploited because they want it so bad.

    No, no knock on the fighters.

    Its the promoter and his motives and his practices that has to be looked at very carefully.

    But he’s trying to circumvent commissions. Another bad sign.

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  14. My 2 cents is the more guys that fight ammy over and over on these shows kills the opertunity for Pro shows like mine… How can we compete dollar wise?? Good points Robin and Eric!

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  15. Tony says:

    gabe cfm dead..ucw best promotion in the peg

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  16. Tony,
    UCW was a good show! CFM is not dead, I should know as I am the owner. UCW had so many issues and that’s why it folded. The owner screwed up a really good thing burning bridges all over the place….

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  17. HAHA no way this is Tony Condello.

    He wouldn’t even know what the internet is, let alone use it.

    If Condello figured out how to use the interwebs he’d probably fuck it up for the rest of us

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  18. lol funny thing he prob has somebody writing shit for him, that’s how he works.. Who else would say UCW is the best? The show was good but not even close to being the best. That’s coming from me who gave my sole to that promotion and all he did was…. well do what he did and we both know what that was lol..

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  19. Joe Doerksen says:

    Tony, if UCW was the best, why is it no longer around?

    Too damned awesome, maybe…

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  20. EPerez says:

    4 of WAMMA’s top amateur fighters in action

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  21. khole says:

    where do i buy tickets not having to order them

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  22. Blackout says:

    gonna be a damn good event either way…

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  23. KillaMoe says:

    Wish I could watch the fights, seeing I paid money to watch em. Guess not. They do not even post the results of each match? I have 3 friends fighting in this card and I cannot even see if they won? Complete horse crap.

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  24. David Letourneau says:

    is there no update?

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  25. WAMMA went 4-0, but that’s all I’ve heard so far.

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  26. TheFacts says:

    I agree with Perez, amateur local amateur shows are great for building up the fighters. Robin, every promoter out there will try to profit off their shows. If they a show does not see profits, it will never stay afloat. I believe a promoter should use trained fighters only but not everyone can be a star; for every win, someone else gets a loss. The responsibility should fall on the coach to protect the athlete although money often clouds their judgement. As the amateur sport grows, we should see more strict sanctioning and “professionalism” shared between the promoters and competitors.

    Oh Gabe, you shouldn’t be concerned with amateur shows taking away your money. If you are a fan of mma and not just looking for a quick buck, you should understand that pro and amateur can and SHOULD exist together (Just look at boxing). Amateur shows should be here to build the fighters and ease their transition into the pro scene. People should come to see pro mma because it’s elite mma. Right now sadly, I couldn’t tell the difference between a fight on your card or an amateur one.

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  27. Robin Black says:

    What were the medical requirements for the fighters to fight on this show?

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  28. Robin Black says:

    Who checked the database to ensure fighters were not suspended due to injury?

    Who approved these matchups to make sure they were safe and competitive?

    Who did pre-fight medicals for 40 athletes before and after the weigh ins?

    Who supervised the hand wrapping?

    Do all of these fighters realize that they could face suspension if they attempted to fight in other provinces for competing in these unsanctioned bouts?

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  29. TheFacts says:

    Robin, I agree that there should be a commission looking over all of this basic safety regulations. If a sleezy promoter puts on an unsanctioned show, why should the athletes be penalized? But in terms of safety with match-ups, unless obviously dangerous, it should be up the coach to ensure a proper match-up for his fighter. As far as I know, there were medicals at the Hard Knocks events

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  30. TheFacts says:

    Also, I’m asking as a fan of the sport, is there an official international database for all sanctioned fights. Or is it that there are many vast private databases. There should be an organization with delegates who watch and make sure that fight results are recorded and safety precautions followed although it is unreasonable due to cost. Is there one database where all promoters go to?

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  31. Robin Black says:

    Commissions are required. if a coach is undereducated or not informed and a kid is injured in a fight he should never have been in, are we supposed to just say ‘oh that’s the coach’s fault’.

    It’s not ok to have unsanctioned fights. Particularly ones with 40 kids.

    Safety has to come ahead of promoter profit.

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  32. TheFacts says:

    I 100% agree with you Robin, commissions should be mandatory for all events. But how far do we need to go to protect the athletes? Does local hockey have mandatory MRI’s and other concussion tests (I personal don’t know)? I think the commission should ensure the safety of the fighters but I think we disagree just on how far they have to go. A concern has to be cost to the athelete, the medicals required for pro’s are costly and must be updated very regularly. Should amateurs be subject to the same? An athlete shouldn’t let themselves compete if seriously injured, if they do and hide it, you can’t blame the promoter, coach or commission.

    On the other hand, are you suggesting that Hard Knocks was unsanctioned? I’ve been to a few shows as a spectator and they seem well run. For an organization as popular as Hard Knocks to put on an unsanctioned card just seems weird; haven’t they put on sanctioned cards before? I hope that they are sanctioned, as I believe they can be great for Canadian mma.

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  33. slim says:

    Having fought on Hard Knocks a few times and having been involved with plenty other of their shows in one way or another, I know their first card was unsanctioned. At that time there wasn’t any rules about strictly amateur fight cards in Calgary. So I wouldn’t be shocked if the Estevan card wasn’t sanctioned.

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  34. robin, without expressing any opinions i can say that:

    hard knocks ran a very organized show, medical requirements were the same as many pro shows in alberta, there were pre and post fight medicals done by a doctor, and all wrapped hands were examined and signed off before gloves were put on

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