Watch Menjivar vs Pickett


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  1. Sean Quinn says:

    I thought Ivan won 1&2.

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  2. Curious says:

    Ivan got ripped off…plain and simple

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  3. Jamie Locke says:

    Obviously the takedowns in 1 and 2 and the pure domination of the 3rd won the fight for Pickett.

    Even scoring 10-9, 10-9, for 1 and 2 Ivan and 10-8 in the thrid for Pickett would have made it a draw. Which is how I would have scored it.

    If we used the 3 point sustem, I think Pickett would have won as well with a 5-4 decision.

    I don’t think anyone got robbed here. Takedowns win rounds in the current system and Pickett had the only takedowns in 1 and 2 then came out and dominated the 3rd.

    Great fight though.

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  4. Sean Quinn says:

    I dont think Pickett had a 10-8 in the third at all. In the current system, you rarely if ever get a 10-8 in mma. I dont think it is warranted in this situation at all.

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  5. Jamie Locke says:

    Ivan barely landed any strikes in the third, Pickett almost landed everything he threw. If Pickett could have scored a TD in the 3rd it would have been an easy 10-8. But given what I saw strictly on the feet, I have no problem given all the points to Pickett in the 3rd. I don’t mind 10-8’s when a round is completely one sided, as the third round was here, you have to score the round based on what the fighters DO, not what they don’t do.

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  6. Sean Quinn says:

    Dear Mr Locke, you’re wrong. Sorry. I agree that 10-8’s should be awarded more often, but i still dont think it was a 10-8 round.

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  7. Jamie Locke says:

    What do you think the criteria for a 10-8 should be. I think a 1 sided round, whether it contain simply striking, or a mix of striking and takedowns and sub attempts all by 1 fighter and not the other constitutes a 10-8.

    Or do you agree with the criteria, but don’t agree that the 3rd round here was as one sided as I think it was?

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  8. A 10-8 round should be where a guy gets so demolished he was lucky to make it out of the round.

    None of these were 10-8’s

    10-8 rounds are reletively rare.

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  9. Jamie Locke says:

    This line is in the wikipedia definition, I know wiki is not the best sourse for info, but I still use it.

    “A judge may occasionally award a 10 – 8 score if the round’s winner is obviously dominating the other fighter.”

    I know 10-8 rounds are rare, but like SQ said I think they should be used more often as well. With this in mind, I think the 3rd round was completely one sided.

    I think we all agree that Ivan should have won rounds 1 and 2, but the judges didn’t see it this way. They did give him round 2, and Pickett had a takedown there too, but lossed on the feet.

    I still think that using the current scoring criteria, the decision was just. My opinion anyway.

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  10. Good thing the judges don’t go by wikipedia :)

    So GSP should have won each round 10-8 since he was uncontested and completely dominated Koschek the entire fight?

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  11. How does Menjivar not win the second? He almost finished Pickett on the feet in the second.

    I had 10-9, 9-10, 10-9 Pickett.

    First round very close.

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  12. Jamie Locke says:

    I guess he could have, yes. It was utter domination.

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  13. Jamie Locke says:

    This is from Big John’s site –

    10-8 Round

    A) When a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.

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  14. Sean Quinn says:

    I think a 10-8 is awarded when a fighter is nearly finished in a given round. Its that different from how 10-8’s are scored in boxing. You have to have the fighter in serious danger to score the round 10-8.

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  15. A) When a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.

    By this definition alone, a guy can get 1 takedown and lay and pray for 5 minutes and he’d get a 10-8 round?

    Damage or a near finish has to be part of it.

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  16. Jamie Locke says:

    My scoring if I had my way(concidering that a take down or two with no damage, while getting owned on the feet will not win you the round)

    R1= 10-9 Menjiver. More damage was done by Ivan
    R2= 10-9 Menjiver. Again more damage, more strikes
    R3= 10-8 Pickett, “overwhelmingly dominates by striking”

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  17. Sean Quinn says:

    Meant to say “NOT” that different.

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  18. Jamie Locke says:

    I agree that damage SHOULD be a part of it. But I don’t think (meaning I can’t find specifically anywhere online here) that it is a factor in the current unified rules 10 point must scoring system(that we all agree is flawed).

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  19. Jamie Locke says:

    I like to personally use damage as the deciding factor in a close round, like round 1 where Menjiver won the stand up, but Pickett had two TD’s.

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  20. Sean Quinn says:

    It was NOT a 10-8 round. Menjivar was NOT being dominated.

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  21. Jamie Locke says:

    I am going to watch this again, just to be sure. But when I just watched(the judges only get to watch once) it looked to me like Ivan was getting punched in the face a hell of alot in the 3rd, and wasn’t landing counter shots. BUT, I will watch again.

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  22. Jamie Locke says:


    SQ, MAD,

    I apologize. Upon further review, the 3rd round wasn’t as one sided as I had originally thought. I would have to score it 10-9 Pickett, giving Menjiver the decision. I don’t think he was robbed though, it was super close.

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  23. Sean Quinn says:

    I WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  24. Jamie no need for apolgies. It’s just a matter of opinion.

    but IMO Sean Quinn Wins.

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  25. Jamie Locke says:

    After watching it the first time, I felt Pickett owned it, the second time it was much closer, but Pickett definitly won the round.

    Sean Quinn does win….. this time….

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  26. L-Boutin says:

    Yay for winning on the internet !!!

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