I thought Ivan won 1&2.
Ivan got ripped off…plain and simple
Obviously the takedowns in 1 and 2 and the pure domination of the 3rd won the fight for Pickett.
Even scoring 10-9, 10-9, for 1 and 2 Ivan and 10-8 in the thrid for Pickett would have made it a draw. Which is how I would have scored it.
If we used the 3 point sustem, I think Pickett would have won as well with a 5-4 decision.
I don’t think anyone got robbed here. Takedowns win rounds in the current system and Pickett had the only takedowns in 1 and 2 then came out and dominated the 3rd.
Great fight though.
I dont think Pickett had a 10-8 in the third at all. In the current system, you rarely if ever get a 10-8 in mma. I dont think it is warranted in this situation at all.
Ivan barely landed any strikes in the third, Pickett almost landed everything he threw. If Pickett could have scored a TD in the 3rd it would have been an easy 10-8. But given what I saw strictly on the feet, I have no problem given all the points to Pickett in the 3rd. I don’t mind 10-8’s when a round is completely one sided, as the third round was here, you have to score the round based on what the fighters DO, not what they don’t do.
Dear Mr Locke, you’re wrong. Sorry. I agree that 10-8’s should be awarded more often, but i still dont think it was a 10-8 round.
What do you think the criteria for a 10-8 should be. I think a 1 sided round, whether it contain simply striking, or a mix of striking and takedowns and sub attempts all by 1 fighter and not the other constitutes a 10-8.
Or do you agree with the criteria, but don’t agree that the 3rd round here was as one sided as I think it was?
A 10-8 round should be where a guy gets so demolished he was lucky to make it out of the round.
None of these were 10-8’s
10-8 rounds are reletively rare.
This line is in the wikipedia definition, I know wiki is not the best sourse for info, but I still use it.
“A judge may occasionally award a 10 – 8 score if the round’s winner is obviously dominating the other fighter.”
I know 10-8 rounds are rare, but like SQ said I think they should be used more often as well. With this in mind, I think the 3rd round was completely one sided.
I think we all agree that Ivan should have won rounds 1 and 2, but the judges didn’t see it this way. They did give him round 2, and Pickett had a takedown there too, but lossed on the feet.
I still think that using the current scoring criteria, the decision was just. My opinion anyway.
Good thing the judges don’t go by wikipedia :)
So GSP should have won each round 10-8 since he was uncontested and completely dominated Koschek the entire fight?
How does Menjivar not win the second? He almost finished Pickett on the feet in the second.
I had 10-9, 9-10, 10-9 Pickett.
First round very close.
I guess he could have, yes. It was utter domination.
This is from Big John’s site –
A) When a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
I think a 10-8 is awarded when a fighter is nearly finished in a given round. Its that different from how 10-8’s are scored in boxing. You have to have the fighter in serious danger to score the round 10-8.
By this definition alone, a guy can get 1 takedown and lay and pray for 5 minutes and he’d get a 10-8 round?
Damage or a near finish has to be part of it.
My scoring if I had my way(concidering that a take down or two with no damage, while getting owned on the feet will not win you the round)
R1= 10-9 Menjiver. More damage was done by Ivan
R2= 10-9 Menjiver. Again more damage, more strikes
R3= 10-8 Pickett, “overwhelmingly dominates by striking”
Meant to say “NOT” that different.
I agree that damage SHOULD be a part of it. But I don’t think (meaning I can’t find specifically anywhere online here) that it is a factor in the current unified rules 10 point must scoring system(that we all agree is flawed).
I like to personally use damage as the deciding factor in a close round, like round 1 where Menjiver won the stand up, but Pickett had two TD’s.
It was NOT a 10-8 round. Menjivar was NOT being dominated.
I am going to watch this again, just to be sure. But when I just watched(the judges only get to watch once) it looked to me like Ivan was getting punched in the face a hell of alot in the 3rd, and wasn’t landing counter shots. BUT, I will watch again.
I apologize. Upon further review, the 3rd round wasn’t as one sided as I had originally thought. I would have to score it 10-9 Pickett, giving Menjiver the decision. I don’t think he was robbed though, it was super close.
Jamie no need for apolgies. It’s just a matter of opinion.
but IMO Sean Quinn Wins.
After watching it the first time, I felt Pickett owned it, the second time it was much closer, but Pickett definitly won the round.
Sean Quinn does win….. this time….
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