Top MMA News Canadian Middleweight Rankings – April 2010

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Jason Macdonald Kicks Hutcherson (photo by Jason Bouwmeester)

Everyone is waiting for the Canadian Middleweight absentee king, Patrick Cote, to return at UFC 113 in Montreal.  Until he does fight Al Belcher in Montreal, he will continue to not be ranked as he has not fought for over a year

There has been less movement in these Middleweight rankings than the previous divisions that we have ranked.  However, there has been some.  The also have been two new additions to these rankings with Chase Degenhardt and Nick Hinchliffe being welcomed to the list.

The most interesting debate Top MMA News had with this round of Middleweight rankings is what to do with Day, Loiseau, and Starnes.  Day dropped a few spots with his loss to Jesse Taylor but should he drop below Loiseau and Starnes who only beat career Canadian journeymen Chester Post and Marcus Hicks?  Top MMA News felt that Day should remain ahead of the other two as he cannot be penalized too much for fighting a tougher fighter.

Let Top MMA News know what you think!

Top 10 Canadian Middleweights – April 2010

1. Jason MacDonald (23-13) – Previous Rank (1)– Jason MacDonald keeps his number one ranking with his win over the veteran Vernon White at W-1 last month.  MacDonald finished Tiger White with a Triangle Choke in the third to give him two solid wins in a row (previously beat Solomon Hutcherson).  MacDonald is staying active as he will fight Matt Horwich at Lets Get it On next.  Next Fight: vs Matt Horwich at LGIO April 23

2. Denis Kang (32-12-1) – Previous Rank (2)– No change for Kang as he was supposed to fight Vernon White before pulling out due to injury.  Now he will headline the next W1 show.  Kang actually went 21 fights in a row with out losing for almost three years between 2003 and 2006.  He finally lost a split decision to Pride Grand Prix winner Kazuo Misaki after already going two rounds with Akihiro Gono earlier in the night! Kang recently has lost some fights where he seemingly had control of the fight – Mousasi, Belcher, and Bisping.  Kang has also had some recent wins against Professor X in the UFC and quick KO over Marvin Eastman.  Next fight: vs Dae Won Kim at W1

3. Joe Doerksen (43-12) – Previous Rank (3)– Winnipeg’s El Dirte could arguably be the number one Middleweight as he has been on a four fight win streak.  However, the quality of his Sengoku opponents have not been as high as the top two and it is hard to place him over Jason MacDonald as he holds two wins over Doerksen.  With over 50 fights, Doerksen has faced and beaten many of Canada’s top Middleweights including the #2 ranked Kang in a great fight (watch it here), Patrick Cote, and Travis Galbraith.    Next fight: vs Chad Herrick at KOTC on April 16.

4. Nick Ring (10-0) – Previous Rank (5)– Nick Ring is on the The Ultimate Fighter 11.  The undefeated Canadian Middleweight defeated Woody Weatherby in the first episode of the show to earn his way into the house.  Ring dominated the fight and impressed Tito Ortiz so much that Ring was the first pick out of all the fighters.  Next fight: TBD on TUF 11.

5. Jesse Bongfeldt (20-5) – Previous Rank (6)– The Rumble in the Cage Middleweight champ is a dominating force at whatever weight he fights at.   He is 3-0 over the past year including wins over Nolan Clark and Chris Fontaine.  There is no word when Jesse will fight next and there are even rumors he may move up to 205.  Next fight: TBD

6. Jason Day (18-9) – Previous Rank (4)– At Aggression MMA 2, Jason Day was not in top form and he was quickly submitted by Jesse Taylor.  Is Day the fighter who lost to Taylor, Bisping and Grove or is Day the fighter who beat Belcher, Loiseau, Goulet, and Fontaine? Hopefully Day will turn it around in his next fight against Nick Hinchliffe.  Next fight: vs Nick Hinchliffe at Aggression MMA 2 on May 21.

7. David Loiseau (19-9) – Previous Rank (7)– Loiseau rose up to the top of this ladder in 2006 and faced Rich Franklin for the UFC title.  As we all know, Loiseau was picked apart in that final and has had underwhelming performances since then including losses to Mike Swick, Ed Herman, and Jason Day.  Loiseau easily beat Chester Post in his last fight in the main event at MFL 2, but a victory over the 6-19 Post does not do much to improve the Crow’s ranking.  Next fight: TBD

8. Kalib Starnes (10-5-1) – Previous Rank (8)– Kalib Starnes is beating guys he should beat but losing to tougher opposition.  After losing to Bellator champion Hector Lombard last year, Starnes fought twice so far in 2010.  At AFC 2, Starnes quickly dispatched the 10-20 Marcus Hicks, but two weeks later, Kalib quickly lost to Falaniko Vitale.   Starnes needs improved results against better competition to remain on this list.  Next fight: TBD

Chase Degenhardt at CFC 4 (photo by Sean McManus)

9. Chase Degenhardt (6-0) – Previous Rank (NR)– Degenhardt has stormed up the rankings in Canada from obscurity.  With three wins in the past year, this undefeated Muay Thai expert deserves his number 9 ranking.  In his last fight, he won a unanimous decision over the very tough Chris Stranger in CFC 4.  However, any other opponent would have been stopped by the six perfect knees in the first round.  Even still, Stranger finished the fight with a broken rib and hand.  Degenhardt needs to win his next fight to maintain his spot in these rankings.  Next Fight: vs Craig Brown at WRECK MMA on April 16

10. Nick Hinchliffe (13-5) – Previous Rank (NR)– In a fantastic bit of matchmaking, Armageddon’s Darren Owen had Nick Hinchliffe fight the unbeaten Dan MacIver at AFC 2.  The winner got the number 10 spot on these rankings. Many fighters say they will fight anybody, but most are quite picky (especially once managers get involved).  Hinchliffe will fight anyone!  If he had the opportunity, Hinchliffe would fight every month in any weight class against anybody.  He has fought Rory MacDonald at 170 and Travis Galbraith at 205 and 185.  A prolonged stay at Middleweight would be beneficial to his career and a win in his next fight will vault him up the rankings.  Next Fight: vs Jason Day at Aggression MMA 3 on May 21

Just out of Top 10 (in no order):
Luke Harris (4-1)
Dan MacIver (6-1)
Steve Vigneault (12-6)
Shawn Marchand (8-5)
Travis Galbraith (17-7) – Next Fight: vs Ninja Rua at Shine Fights
Chris Fontaine (18-12) – Previous rank (10)

Not Considered Due to Inactivity:
Patrick Cote (13-5)
Jason St Louis (12-11)
Brent Beauparlant (8-5)
Keto Allen (3-0)
Chad Cox (5-1)
Kyle Sandford (7-1)

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70 Responses to “ Top MMA News Canadian Middleweight Rankings – April 2010 ”

  1. Bobby Karimi says:

    How far back do you guys give fighters credit for?
    Seems to me that lotsa guys are getting heavy credit for achievements from a long time ago.

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  2. Jonny says:

    I think Nick Hinchliffe should be higher on this list. Why is be not ahead of someone of the guys living off the pass Nick is doing it right now.

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  3. Bobby…lotsa guys? Name a name? We look over their career but the past few years are emphasized.

    Middleweight is a strange division. Besides Ring, there are few new Middleweights who are getting the big wins to break into the top 8. You could say that Loiseau and Starnes are living in the past, but who takes their spot? Degenhardt has not had that huge name on his resume, Maciver lost to Hinchliffe, and Hinchliffe was a guy living off of past wins until he beat Maciver. Can any of these guys beat Loiseau or Starnes?

    Thanks for your question and all your comments!

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  4. Jonny, thanks for the comment. Lets not forget that Hinchliffe is 4-5 in his last 9 fights. He got a great win over Maciver who would have got a top 10 spot if he won. Regardless, with a win over Day at Aggression, Hinchliffe will vault up the rankings.

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  5. Bobby Karimi says:

    Name just one? Ok I’ll go with the #1 guy.

    JMac (and I quote Mr. Grienke) “Keith, thanks for the comment. Lets not forgot that MacDonald is 5-6 in his last 11.”

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  6. Yeah….look at the strength of JMac’s opposition. That is definitely a big factor. Losing to Travis Lutter or Demain Maia means a lot more than losing to Dan McIver.

    Besides, we had JMac on top of the rankings the first go round. He does not drop down after beating Vernon White. Our rankings are also based on their previous rankings.

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  7. Jonny says:

    How far up the rankings do you think he would move because I think if he wins he should be top 5. A lot of these other guys are old and there best days are behind them Nick is only 26 and has his best days ahead. For the record I think Hinchchliffe would beat Starnes at this stage. Your top few I agree forsure.

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  8. Depending what other fighters do, Hinch should pass move up above Day, Loiseau, Starnes with a win over Day.

    That said, if Degenhardt is very impressive versus Farmer or Loiseau/Starnes face a tough opponent and win then that would get consideration as well. Same with a Galbraith win over Ninja Rua.

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  9. Bobby Karimi says:

    So you right a wrong with another wrong?

    As of Apr 19 who has JMac clearly beat in the last 2 years.

    Or how bout the Crow. When was his last “big” win.

    Starnes doesn’t have a win as good as McIver (as an example) in nearly 3 years.

    Hinchliffe has a win over Galbraith and got some redemption over McIver

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  10. Bobby Karimi says:

    Cuz there is alot of inactivity and many guys coming down into this division, I understand guys being ranked due to their past results, but then rankem lower.

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  11. Hinch has a win over Galbraith three years ago and then lost to Galbraith twice and those fights were at 205 and 185. Hinch also lost to McIvor. His big wins almost cancel themselves out with losses to same opponents.

    MacDonald clearly beat Hutcherson regardless of the shitty judging. He dominated on the ground and should have had the UD.

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  12. Jonny says:

    What do you think about age Nick is only 26 some of the other guys are well in to the thirties and have there best days behind them.

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  13. Bobby Karimi says:

    I’m surprised you didn’t rank Carlos Newton. He had some big wins back in the day.
    Or Steve Vigneault, he had some good wins early this decade.

    :)

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  14. Bobby Karimi says:

    Hinchliffe’s big wins almost cancel themselves out. Loiseau, Starnes, and JMac don’t have any real impressive results recently.

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  15. Bobby, Loiseau is 5-2 in last three years and one of those losses should probably have been a win vs Day. His win a year and a half ago to Hutcherson was a great fight.

    Starnes does not have the big win in recent years.

    Already talked about JMac.

    Time for bottom guys to step up and pick off these older guys. They are ripe for picking.

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  16. Jonny…age plays no role in these rankings. Gordie Howe could come out and beat Hinchliffe and he could be ranked.

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  17. Bobby Karimi says:

    Older guys won’t fight them for the most part. We both know that.

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  18. Jonny says:

    Chase Degenhardt is not ready for a top ten and he should not be ahead of Nick. Nick just knock out another 6-0 guy that had done more to get to 6-0 the Degenhardt. Chase needs to prove himself more to been a head of a vet like Hinnch thats all I am saying.

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  19. Bobby, Day is fighting Hinchliffe.

    You are right though, very hard for up and coming fighters to get that higher level fighter to fight them.

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  20. Jonny, your argument for Hinch over Degenhardt is valid. Reason for Nick lower was his poor record the past three years, prior to his good win over Maciver.

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  21. Bobby Karimi says:

    Starnes should be lower, same with Crow and Jmac.
    Hinchliffe would move up automatically with Crow and Starnes being lower.

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  22. Jonny says:

    Cheers great conversation. Hope to see Nick in your top 5 after he beats Day.

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  23. Bodhichill says:

    I liked it. So much useful material. I read with great interest.

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  24. Cody Rempel says:

    Hey Bobby…. just curious, who how would you rank the top 5?

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  25. Bobby Karimi says:

    Wait till Joe, Chase and Farmer fight tonight, then I will post.

    TMN shoulda waited till this weekend or next.

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  26. Yeah… I had some time to write up our rankings so I just got them out. Things could be shaken out this weekend.

    I guess Luke Harris will be #1 in Bobby’s rankings.

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  27. Bobby Karimi says:

    Cheap shot.
    lol

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  28. Bobby Karimi says:

    For Cody (Top 5)

    Denis Kang
    Joe Doerksen
    Jason MacDonald
    Jesse Bongfeldt
    Nick Ring

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  29. Bobby Karimi says:

    I think JMac will lose next week to Horwich, then you guys will have to redo the rankings. Farmer will need to be ranked, MacIver too, Starnes dropped off maybe.

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  30. Chuck Rocks says:

    With two wins over Doerksen and one in the last few years, how can MacDonald be third?

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  31. Bobby Karimi says:

    Cuz 1 of those wins was 4.5 years ago, how far back do you wanna go to give guys credit for achievements. Doerksen beat Cote 5 years ago, should that count too?

    Also cuz JMac has been below .500 in recent times. Joe is 5-0 since then, JMac is 3-4.

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  32. Bobby Karimi says:

    Would you have ranked Vernon Forrest above Shane Mosley cuz Vernon had 2 wins over Shane? Nope.

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  33. Dennis Hallman should be ranked ahead of Matt Hughes though. :)

    Bobby, why do you exclude JMac’s 2 year old win against Doerksen yet include a lot of other fights from 2008 in your consideration?

    Do strength of opposition count for little in your rankings?

    Certainly Doerksen is #1 if you use your logic as Kang is 3-3 over the same time period with wins over Prof X, Eastman, Kim.

    For comparison, last two years JMac is 4-4. Wins – Doerksen, Lambert, Hutcherson, White. Losses – Maia, Gouveia, Quarry, Lutter.

    Joe was 4-1 over last two years when these rankings came out. Wins – Meyer, Takeuchi, Babene, Sato Loss – Jason MacDonald. 5-1 after last night with win over Herrick.

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  34. Bobby Karimi says:

    I dont exclude JMac’s win over Doerksen 2 years ago, I exclude the 5 year old one.

    Yup strength of competition counts. I wasnt sure if I wanted Kang or Doerksen as 1. Had Doerksen won more convincingly I woulda had him 1.

    Kang has 3 soso-good wins in the last while and his losses are “good losses”, and he shoulda won 2 of those.

    Doerksen has some decent wins in his recent streak, especially KOP Takeuchi. That’s a better win than anything JMac’s done since beating Joe.

    Also JMac has looked far from impressive in the last while.

    Also the JMac arguement will be a mute point, as I don’t see him beating Horwich. Bad fight for JMac to take.

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  35. With wins over McFedries and Almeida and a loss to Anderson Silva, would Patrick Cote be your number one if our rules allowed you to rank him?

    With Mac fighting LGIO, Kang fighting Kim at W1, Doerksen fighting TBD at CFC, Ring continuing on TUF, and Cote fighting Belcher, this will be a hard one to rank in two months!

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  36. Bobby Karimi says:

    How far back does the ranking go? That’s never been made clear.

    Cote is a clear #1, losing to Anderson is basically no loss, so he has 2 ufc level wins, with one being Almeida!

    #1

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  37. Agree with Cote. I hope he beats Belcher.

    We place highest priority on record since last rankings, then last year of fights, then 2 years of fights, then career of fights. All is considered and its not a science.

    If you have not fought in past year and coming up, you are not ranked.

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  38. Jonny says:

    Nick Hinchliffe knocked out Dan Maclver so bad that I dont know when that kid will be able to fight again. I was at that fight they could not even wake him up for 10 minutes. He will be dealing with that for along time.

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  39. Cody Rempel says:

    Just curious… are you going to be taking Nick Ring’s TUF fights into consideration when updating the rankings?

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  40. By the next rankings for Middleweight, TUF 11 Finale should be over. We will take his fights into consideration.

    However, we will also take into consideration the fact that he is fighting in an exhibition situation and he and his opponent may be fighting injured, they are not able to have normal preparation for their fights, nor normal living conditions.

    What do you think we should do? These ideas are not set in stone.

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  41. Bobby Karimi says:

    You can’t take those fights into consideration. They are not professional bouts and don’t count on the fighters record.

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  42. Jonny says:

    Jesse is 20-5 not 20-3

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  43. Jonny says:

    Oh and chase is 6-1 not 6-0

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  44. Jonny says:

    does the 6-1 not 6-0 and the 20-5 not 20-3 change the rankings. At the very least Nick should move ahead of an 6-1 fighter.

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  45. Darren Owen says:

    Johnny, without a doubt Nick KTFO of MacIver, and I believe he should be ranked higher than 10 on this list. MacIver will be back though July 17 AFC 3. MacIver is still improving and could give anyone on this list a good run for their money. I think Hinchliffe is a notch above right now and puts on a show everytime he steps in there. I think the next 3 months will really shake things up on this list.

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  46. Jonny says:

    Darren where would put Nick in a top ten list.

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  47. Degenhardt is 6-1 now. He was 6-0 when the list was published. That loss will be addressed next time MW is ranked.

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  48. Jonny says:

    what about jesse?

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  49. That was a typo. Jesse’s record has been updated to 20-5. Thanks.

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  50. Jonny says:

    Fair enough

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